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DarkstarIV

Wow, Scott. I agree with you on the vBulletin issue. It just...seems to be going down the toilet, after IB took over. (no offense). I've recently switched my forums to Invision Power Boards, since I could not pay the $190+ fee for a license.

Jon

wouldn't all the developers and coders designers from vb, wouldn't they be able to make their own software to compete with VB or is it not worth it?

Jon

I meant the ones that left VB

David McHenry

vB4 is going to be a massive fail on many levels once people start playing with it. Every beta release brings dozens of new bugs, while a lot of the old ones are being ignored and not fixed for some reason as they go, which to me seems inefficent, especially the bugs that are left from clean back in Beta 3 (and who knows how many are left from eariler versions).

Not to mention it was promised by the end of Q4 2009, which will be impossible for them to put out a finished product any wear near that with its current state its in.

Alex

Scott, thank you for your sincere post, although I have to admit that it didn't make me very happy reading your first hands-on bits of what was going on "behind the scenes". In fact, it made me sad. Sad, because it reinforces my subjective belief that vB4 is heading in the wrong direction, both quality-wise as well as feature-wise.

I am hoping that you, and the rest of the amazing team that was once behind vB will have a chance (and legal go) to get together again and build a new software, one that would truly deserve the name vBulletin in it.

BrandonSheley

Great post Scott, I've bookmarked your blog and look forward to more like this.

hotwheels

I am so glad that Ray Morgan resigned. In my own opinion, between Ray Morgan and Steve Machol, they ran the forums part of the company into the ground. If a customer disagreed with anything they stated, the customer found themselves banned. For some reason, Ray and Steve Machol forgot that we are customers and not just members of a forum site. We actually paid for something and should have been allowed to discuss our thoughts without being beat down by these thugs. If Bob Brisco want's to save his internet company, he first needs to get rid of some of the moderator thugs, reopen discussions with the old devs and try to smooth over the customer abuse that took place. I would love to come back to vbulletin and move forward. As long as people like Ray morgan, steve machol, wayne luke and a few others continue to bully customers, the company will fail. Ray managed to steal some of my money from me, but because he burned me once, they will no longer receive any more of my money. But, if Bob Brisco straightens out a few things, i as a customer would continue to use their software.

Hotwheels

ex-vBFan

Thanks for the post Scott. I second the request to create a new product, one better than vBulletin. Build an impex clone to offer vBulletin import to the new system.

Remember mambo? See what happens to it and where is the branch out version Joomla standing now?

If you guys (the old vB team)can do that I'm with you. I know there will be some legal restrictions. But with the help of a good lawyer you can find out what you do legally.

Please, please consider this!

Anthony Cea

Thank you for coming out and confirming what a lot of us have understood by putting 2 + 2 together.

It is no surprise that Ray Morgan was forced out by the Board of Directors because Internet Brands has lost about 56 million dollars in market capitalization in the stock market since this fiasco began around October the 15th.

I was banned from the official vBulletin forum for calling for Ray Morgan to resign or be fired by Internet Brands, the Board of Directors only listened when the saw the stock getting sacked which threatens the entire company.

This threat is only one that Internet Brands faces, there are many law firms looking into this matter, IB could face over 100 million dollars in legal claims very soon unless they find a way to address the rights of vBulletin 3 license owners.

Since the contract was made under UK law most the law firm that must lead the way must be based in the UK in all probability.

I have had US based attorneys look at this case, but one of the factors keeping them from filing a lawsuit is the fact that our licenses are drawn under UK laws.

As far as some of you wanting this group of developers to get back into a dialog with IB to "help them fix vBulletin", you are lost and need to join the real world.

The best thing former developers can do is another thing I called for early on, start a new forum software platform with a forum engine that will support software module add ons where forum owners can add photo galleries, classified ads, link directories and so on.

This is the only way forward for a commercial forum package, that or we all move to open source ASAP.

Valachi

Scott. No offense to you, but I some what wished you would've told us the real reason of leaving.

You know how many customers you could've saved from this hassle?

I know personally I could've sold off my licenses and at least bailed out too. Instead, I got f***ed by Bob Brisco and Ray Morgan.

I'm glad you left while you could, but we the loyal members got screwed. I spent tons of money in multiple licenses. Now... they are worthless unless I upgrade.

Anyways good luck at Facebook.....

 

Thank you for your honesty Scott,im sorry that you felt trapped when those idiots took over....

You guys did a wonderful job with Vbulletin,you will always have that to remember :)

Thank you for all you have done!!

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